The best message from FS is to do your own thing.

But after all those years it seems the FAN attitude is prevailing. Where are all the RV groups and the other "institutes"? People should form their own bands and enter in a productive dialogue with FS... but this is not happening is it?

Farsight is becoming like every other cult out there. A "Thou shalt not question" paradigm. I love the idea if what they're doing, but it's taking a wrong turn like with every other group that gets more and more supporters. That's why I called out Wes Penre on his own forum a few years ago too, same with Aug Tellez. These people let fame go to their head and ruin a good thing.

That's what Clif High has said recently, that Farsight is a cult. Plus a few other strong - but funny - claims, which you can listen to in his Substack.

The biggest issue I have with Farsight is that they don't do a good enough job in challenging their own views. They don't try to prove themselves wrong, i.e. they don't try to falsify their claims, which is what a scientist would do. And yet Farsight uses the term "scientific remote-viewing" and Courtney's credentials as an academic, do dress the remote-viewing that is done here as scientific. Farsight takes certain things for granted, such as the biblical stories. Then they come out with ET meddling in those claimed biblical events, when there are serious doubts that those events even happened! A lot of the bible is made up, compiled. A lot of the characters are made up, composite, symbols derived from much older Egyptian, Hindu or ancient Mesopotamian traditions.

The whole Harvey and ET board meeting things.. there's been ZERO attempt to provide evidence that ETs are really there, and that what is taking place is actual telepathy. It's New Age 2.0, but simply repackaged in sci-fi and "science". It's another form of "trust me, bro".

Chicken or the egg problem there - if there were many other groups doing RV they could figure out the Harvey problem quickly. Daz Smith did an RV target of Harvey on a community call and got it back, also farsight already did a blind target of Harvey and got people back. There's a lot of remote viewers taking commissions that could be tasked blindly with Harvey as well.

I get the sense that there was supposed to be more groups working with/on ETs but people found reasons not to do it and there wasn't a huge incentive. People are still quoting Joe McMoneagle's passage about not doing RV if there's no feedback because they're shocked by finding weird results that matches with other people's weird results. Either way it's not too late to work on the skills but also the foundations for those groups would have been better laid 5-10 years ago. If there's a huge spark in interest in RV though - might as well jump on.

But it is a sticking point with people because beings residing in a different density is a hard sell, and so is their ability to communicate but not willingly densify over and mass broadcast doing it.

@Andre

That's the thing...if he's going to stick to calling himself a scientist then act like a scientist, but what he's doing is in the realm of metaphysics and the two don't always go hand in hand. He's got to choose a side whether he wants the spiritual/mystical or scientific full of dogma and limitations. You're right though...he should have done more verification of things he claims if he wants to stick to claiming he's a scientist. Maybe task another outside source at the same time as his group to look into the major revelations type projects to verify what they find and see if they match up.

To be honest you and Del could probably create your own group and still be successful. It's about being able to connect with people that matters. I've always enjoyed talking to you here and well Del's been quiet but she does seem to keep things running smoothly in the background.

On the whole RVing thing, I just don't have the patience to learn it at my age. I'm not so much "too old" as much as I'm worn out. Ive been through a lot. As well, being an experiencer and having had many weirds things happen in my life was enough for me not to need any more validation than I already had. I do support other people who can RV and would give them the respect as long as it's for the benefit for humanity and not just for themselves.

* Not doing viewing at all is wrong... You should try it for 2 months... Just to have a taste of it and see how it works with you... Then you can stop... (It might change your brain and open certain areas.)

* RV is not just about the viewers... It needs a good tasker with the mind of an investigator... and ideally an analyst at the end... who really takes the time to synthetize.

@Cy

I was doing the Monroe stuff about 23 years ago like going through the gateway program etc. Could do 2 hours straight of deep binaural beats/isochronic tones meditations etc. Back then was when my third eye was fully open at one point as well. Of course, back then, I was a teen and had the time for it. Nowadays there's too much stress and not enough time alone. What most people never do is building up something called a "waking meditation" where they're always in a meditative state all the time. That's who you access the different levels of frequency even while going about their daily lives. That's something I was working on for a while. We're at the very end of the game now and everything you've learned should be put to good use...no turning back now.

https://www.farsightprime.com/forums/general/62549-start-a-fan-zoom-chat

Why too much stress?

@Cy

Because we are just 2-3 months away from living on the street. Everything has been ruined after Trudeau came into power and then me getting injured in 2022 and my health going to shit since 2020 overall has meant I'm waiting for disability, but now they're 3.5 months behind on getting back to people about disability. I might be forced back to work soon...but then I'll lose the job since I'll still need surgery...maybe two or three of them. On top of that I didn't have a kid while I was young, but now I do lol.

@Morphius

No complacency here. I've done things that go beyond the mundane for a long time now. I've proven to myself how the game works and by whom. Didn't need RVing to do that. Can't get stuck up on just one way of finding information when there are many. The only reason we only talk about RVing here is because that's the main theme. Some people can astral project and that's far better and more involved than RVing...which is too much in the mental realm anyways. Most people's lower minds are easily manipulated.

No it isn't. RV is for one thing, OBE for another - neither is better or worse.

@MJT

RVing is just a limited form of Astral Projection except instead of projecting your soul you only project the lower mind. Definitely not for anything different. You can glean far more information as a full blown OOBE experience than just a simple RV especially since most RVing should be done with others and not alone.