Manuel, you are asking the right questions.

We must collectively forgive the illusion they have created and we agreed to play the great game of pretended intrigue. The knowledge that you are...not the ego they use to manipulate another round in the funhouse. Love casts out fear of illusions. Good luck Mr and Ms Briggs of the Universe. And thus it is done merely in the knowing of such freedom

Shiningbrow, you are also asking the right questions.

"Where did you get the idea for #3?"

That premise is also a conclusion based on premise #2. If the ETs push the button, the war would become hot, but we don't see that happening yet. This leads to the question: How does everybody see who's pushing the buttons? I guess that's where the phase shifting technology comes into place: You can be there and observe, but you are not touchable. I still don't understand how that works, but it seems possible.

"Especially "belong to the Good ETs but forgot"?"

They would not push the button if they remember. If someone remembers who they are shooting at and still wants to push the button, they should be considered to belong to the bad ETs. Who you belong to is not who you are, but how you think.

"I think it more likely that the DTs are just hard to spot, or there are better defences - or perhaps some other reason."

My phrasing was incomplete. I'm talking about a "perimeter". It's not possible to dismantle the death traps from outside the perimeter. Inside the perimeter, there are defences against attacks from the outside.

"firstly, it's not verified that those craft are necessary for the DT destruction."

Crafts including rockets and such. The alternative being a human carrying a weapon that can destroy the death traps, as shown in the 2019 movie "Captive State". But I guess there are backup systems, so an attack would need to be orchestrated.

"Secondly, if there are all those craft flying around up there (as per the IR video), then why haven't they destroyed the DTs?"

My guess is that the crafts of the good ETs are mostly out of phase, thus aren't able to do harm. A small amount of crafts becoming "touchable" seems to be no problem for the bad ETs, but many crafts becoming touchable would result in the hot war the good ETs try to prevent as long as the human population is on the wrong side.

"there's a HUGE assumption here about human agency - I call it the US-centrism... where is the shooting down occurring?"

Every government on Earth is on the wrong side, because of the nature of government. You need to understand that government is slavery, because the government is allowed to attack legitimately (preemptively), even its own people. That's a violation of the non-aggression principle. Humans on Earth are conditioned to see that violation as a right, while in nature, that right does not exist. Because of that conditioning, the governments can be used as an executive layer to run the prison planet. Most people just don't see that the actions of the government are wrong.

"And which organisations which control any shooting downs are running that operation?"

It's a hierarchical structure. We can assume that the prison planet has an administration. Think of the planet as a colony with one governor. The human governments are below that governor, forced to follow the orders from the top. Any government who wants to break out of that structure will be discredited as a rogue regime. If necessary, a war is started through false flag operations. We already know how that works.

"Your suggestion is that there's one single force (or alliances of forces) all doing the shooting down."

You don't need alliances. You just need order followers who don't question orders, and all governments on Earth have them, because people think that's how it should be.

"Firstly, how would you know? Perhaps there are ETs who get zapped, but because their memories have been wiped, they don't recall."

It works like the coverage of a radio station. No technology has an endless range. The question is: How far does it reach? And: the further it reaches, the more power is needed to run it.

"Secondly, I will suggest that the mechanism isn't perfect, and that there may be other ways to get past it."

Agreed. The AI is one weak spot. It can be talked to.

"CB has said that the good ETs are staying out of it directly because of agreements in place, not because of being shot down"

The agreements are made to prevent a hot war. That's why it's a cold war, not a peace agreement.

"Given that these craft are fairly easily filmed, and that the filming shows there's likely thousands of UFOs above us at any one time, and that we're talking about significant military operations, it seems unlikely that this is the only obstacle to disclosure..."

I tought about that a lot. What would happen if one side violates the agreement? Well, the good ETs would come out of the phase shifting and try to destroy the death traps. Human government military would fight that because it would look like an invasion. Essentially, the good ETs would need to fight exactly the people who they try to rescue. In that conflict, many will die, which means the death traps need to be destroyed first.

Now, let's assume the good ETs manage to do that. Imagine a fleet full of rescued ISBEs in the need of healing. The forces are worn out because of the conflict. See, at that point, the forces mainly fought against humans, so it would be easy for the bad ETs to attack the rescue fleet, kill the good guys and collect the vulnerable ISBEs, which seems to be easy enough. If I were the bad guys, that's how I would do it.

I'm not sure if I want to go line by line ;p

My first point was more - what makes you think they're actually on the side of the "good ETs"? If
bad ETs are in human form (especially if incarnated as such), then they would fall under the category of being human, not bad ET.

Besides which, surely using bad ET tech is just as bad as a human pushing the button on bad ET tech - no? Meaning - effectively, the hot war would have already started - it's just slow.

My point about governments is that certainly not all of them have access to that tech that can shoot down those ships..

Speaking of which, and of the perimeter.... I don't think we have the range to take out a ship that appears in orbit or higher - so, where exactly are the DTs such that these craft need to be within the atmosphere (cos that's where they're getting shot down from - apparently, not from higher up - or you'd see the fireball)

From what I've seen on FS (and it's certainly not everything! 2.5 hour videos... WTF???) "The agreements are made to prevent a hot war. That's why it's a cold war, not a peace agreement." is something the bad ETs signed with Earth (mostly US) governments.... not with the good ETs. The agreement apparently being (and I'd like specifics on this) - that should a good ET craft enter Earth's atmosphere, they are to shoot it down. Is there something else that the good ETs have actually signed??

What I'm trying to get at is - apparently, good ET crafts have been seen across the skies in basically every country and region on the planet - but they're not getting shot down over every single country or region of the planet....

" What would happen if one side violates the agreement? Well, the good ETs would come out of the phase shifting and try to destroy the death traps. Human government military would fight that because it would look like an invasion."

Do you honestly think the tech to get to such a craft in such a short time (before it could destroy - or severely damage) a DT is available to most craft?? Of course, one question is - how many actual DT stations are there? If there's only a few, it doesn't matter if people die, because they'd no longer be affected by the DTs - meaning, a freer planet (in a decade or 2 -only! And, frankly, that's almost no time at all..., Almost like playing chess, and having all your pawns ready to turn into queens). The objective is to take the king - not to keep all your pieces on the board. Destroying all life on the planet is inconsequential if the DTs are not functioning. (wouldn't be the first planet in this solar system to go down that route)

However, what's perhaps better - apparently some good ETs are in contact with some humans. The obvious thing at this point is to have some sort of implant or knowledge given, such that when the human body-drops, they have something to help either light up the DT for others to locate and destroy, or to be able to damage/destroy it themselves (taking it from the inside)

"What would happen if one side violates the agreement?"

Ummm - they already have! (Oh, sorry - talking about different agreements) That's why I'm flabbergasted with the good ETs lack of response.

I think I need to point something out - the DTs aren't the actual mechanism for the reincarnation - only for the mind wipe. It's 'natural' to incarnate into bodies to experience life in this universe (amongst other things). So, picking up a new meat sack isn't really an issue - the issue is not remembering what you are.

Also, there's no reason why the good ETs can't have ships with their own meatsacks in them for us to incarnate into - cloaked, for retrieval between body-drop and next incarnation. This is not a new thing - it's what used to happen (and does in other parts of the galaxy). Incarnating into an Earth human body is not an automatic.

Good points.

"If bad ETs are in human form (especially if incarnated as such), then they would fall under the category of being human, not bad ET."

No. The body does not make who you are. For example, wearing an expensive business suit does not make you a lawyer. I guess they can tell wether someone is zapped and therefore doesn't remember, just like a DMP reveals stuff about an ISBE.

For the rest, look here:

https://www.farsightprime.com/forums/general/67051-what-do-the-good-ets-actually-agree-to

Pat, "sometimes people deserve to be shot".... Yes.

Love the MP quote! :D

And, yes, agreed that some people do deserve to be shot.... although, bypassing the "need to suffer for their crimes" argument...

"They won't shoot you back, but they'll make damn sure you personally can't do it again."

Is that true though? How many have actually been shot down recently? And why has the message not been sent back home to ensure it doesn't happen again?

(And, OMFGs.... we can finally reply to comments!!!!! It's a miracle!)