In the 9th episode of Conversations with Harvey, he is saying that the group he is representing is not interested in telling others how they govern themselves. Courtney is stating that Harvey's group does believe in free will "fanatically".

This is what Harvey and his group is wrong about:

Government is the idea of giving up natural rights in order to empower the government to violate these rights for the sake of security. In other words, government is allowed to be aggressive against individuals – a right no individual has – and therefore such government is not rightful.

If you are subject to a government you have not chosen freely, meaning you are not allowed to leave at any time, you are enslaved.

Does Harvey's group respect governments that are enslaving people?

Does Harvey's group respect contracts based on manipulation and lies?

Government that is not chosen freely has NOTHING to do with true freedom!

Why is Harvey not talking about that?

https://onegreatworknetwork.com/mark-passio/are-you-really-the-good-guys-2

You certainly raise valid points here; via Spirit-Law, the greater the degree of taking away another's Free-Will, the greater the Offense, BUT, ONE «Exception» DOES EXIST which does NOT incur the «Karmic-Debts» that are typically associated with the interference of another's free-will using force, and, that would be to stop an offender from taking away the free-will of another in order to educate them about Spirit-Law (Karmic-Law), via the Feeling Easier Seminar or similar as designed and recommended by the very Messiah himself. See http://www.the-testament-of-truth.com/truth/web/offend1.htm for more comprehensive details... I don't know if I may ask of this, but, can The Testament of Truth web-site be forwarded and would it be accessible to «Harvey» and the other beings associated with him, for their review and consideration ? I don't know if they have access to Earth's Internet-information infra-structure here from way up there above the earth's surface, but, I figure it can't hurt to ask if this is possible.

I did a post about this last night, under the Lily Nova interview thread... and elsewhere.

Is the GFW actually insane (in the real meaning of the word) if they know that the actual free will of the 8 billion people on the planet a) has been twisted and manipulated to such an extent, b) that only 0.000X% of the people on the planet actually control the rest of them, and c) the rest of those people suffer death, torture, suffering if they go against that minimal percentage, AND (perhaps most importantly), d) have their information about such things hidden..... AND YET these 'free will' ETs seem to want to base their actions upon all of this...

It's severe cognitive dissonance, to the point of insanity - unable to deal with a reality that they can't (apparently) understand.

The way Courtney describes it, It's almost like them saying "oh, you didn't believe Star Wars and Star Trek are real - ok, you guys can all suffer for the next 10,000 years until you do believe that fictional movies are actually implanted by extra-terrestrials".

(BTW, what is the actual percentage of Earth's population who have seen either of those??? Those ETs sure have a VERY American perspective of life on Earth!!!)

Just to emphasise how insane this is - they're effectively denying the whole reason that some 'starseeds' came to this planet in the first place - to remove the conditioning and manipulation.

@Manuel - "https://onegreatworknetwork.com/mark-passio/are-you-really-the-good-guys-2"

This guy is delusional... to the point of being insane!

While there are indeed some excellent points he makes, and there are indeed major changes that need to be made, there are other aspects that are clearly not based in reality.

Government (of some form) IS necessary - at the very least because each individual is concerned with their own individual needs and desires, and those needs and desires often come in conflict with others in the same society (knowingly or otherwise). How do you allow for those who live in a different part of the country to have a say such that when they go travelling, their rights and expectations are still the same - if no-one is looking out for this?

That in no way suggests governments are perfect (they're obviously not, and they're largely not on our side) - but his rant about believing that they have some 'authority' is wrong. And that's because people are angels. The idea behind democracy is that having sufficient input from all of these non-angels minimises the power and influence of any one non-angel (or demon). It may not be effective. It may need improvement - but that isn't what he's saying! He's saying that *all* government is evil.

Humans are very selfish creatures. And frankly, capitalism has only enhanced that.

Governments that imprison their populace are obviously evil.

> Why is Harvey not talking about that?

Perhaps he's respecting human sovereignty by not commenting on our internal political affairs, or simply remaining neutral to avoid entangling his faction, thereby complicating contact efforts, which have an aerospace security aspect.

"How do you allow for those who live in a different part of the country to have a say such that when they go travelling, their rights and expectations are still the same - if no-one is looking out for this?"

Why do you assume that no one is looking out for this when there is no government who is allowed to aggress against individuals? Defense is a rightful action, so when you travel, you are allowed to defend yourself and others against aggression wherever you are. It's a universal principle.

Now imagine you are travelling to a part of a country (or another planet) where there is no police because people don't know how to make a rightful contract about an institution that is defending the rights of the people. You would take your own police with you, because you have that contract, like Harvey is taking his security people with him when visiting the beach.

"He's saying that *all* government is evil."

Maybe you are just confusing government and administration, not knowing the difference between violence and defending force. Government is allowed to be violent, which means violating rights, e.g. coercing taxes. Administration is not allowed to be violent, but only to use force for defense, which is rightful. This comes with the cost that the administration is limited to collecting money without coercion, in other words: People are allowed to not pay the administration if they don't agree. People believe that this will not work, so they remain stuck in coercion.

Harvey's group seems to have some sort of government or administration. This raises questions:

Is it a coercing government or a voluntarist administration? How do Harvey's people pay taxes? Do they even use money?

They seem to have a better system, and they seem to understand how to defend themselves and how to protect their freedom. Why is Harvey not teaching how to do it, so we can adapt the supposedly better system and be free?

"Perhaps he's respecting human sovereignty by not commenting on our internal political affairs"

Calling slavery "internal political affairs" is delusional. You cannot respect sovereignty when there is no sovereignty. It's like saying: We respect that you are beaten because you chose to be beaten. We actually know how to not be beaten, but we don't tell you, because you just have to wake up.

"or simply remaining neutral to avoid entangling his faction"

But his faction already is entangled, because he's saying that we are actually their relatives. Ask yourself: How did we end up here when Harvey's group knows how to live in peace and knows how to defend themselves?

Maybe they didn't know back then. But if they know now, it would be reasonable to spread that knowledge in the population so there can be hope. People need to see a vision of the goal in order to want to go there.

How can we get rid of reptilian government and replace it with something better? Harvey must know it, because he claims to already have it. So why is his group respecting reptilian government and illegitimate contracts?

Harvey is a Gray; they have no insight into problems of human governance. The Ummo described their government to us. They are telepathic but otherwise near human, and a far more relevant example.

Sasquatch told humans how to liberate themselves from the Reptilians. Harvey lacks Legal standing to comment, as an outsider to this planet.

"they have no insight into problems of human governance."

That is total nonsense. The difference between right and wrong is a universal principle. Slavery works the same wherever you are, you don't need "insights" to understand how it works. Morality can be understood by way less intelligent beings than grays and others. Children from the age of 5 can understand it.

So not wanting to criticize human governance and slavery while at the same time presenting the "peaceful nature" of humanity seems odd to me.

If Harvey's group has a government based on coercion like we have here on Earth, they are not the free will ET's they claim to be. Seeing coercion as a free will choice and accepting contracts with liars doesn't make any sense.

Maybe it's Harvey's group that needs to wake up.

"Maybe you are just confusing government and administration"

Once again, you seem to be using terms and ideas that run counter (or at least different) to the ways those words and ideas are used by the rest of us - and using your own definitions is a sure-fire way to create confusion!

Governments govern (funny that!). And administrations 'administer' (funny that too!) The former has the ability to make decisions (e.g., laws),whereas the latter do not - they only carry out the works needed to ensure that the decisions are put in place and operate (hopefully effectively).

You (and your linkee ranter) have overlooked the basic idea that some laws need to be enacted (and enforced), and that this is not simply a 'will of the people' idea - because the wills of the people often conflict. In the US, there's a huge divide between socialised healthcare and fully self-funded. Which system should be in place? And, once one has been established, are you actually expecting everyone of them to go along with it - even if it goes against their basic ideology, out of the goodness of their hearts?

Taxation - coercion??? Naturally, very few want to give up their hard earned money. However, if they want their kids to go to school to have roads to drive on, to have fire brigades to stop their houses from burning down, and a whole host of other things (including paying for a defence force), then that money needs to come from somewhere, and taxation is that system. If you made it' voluntary', then each and every individual would only contribute the minimum amount they felt they'd have to in order to look after themselves and their families (as a clear example of this, take a look at the different taxation systems around the world, and look at what those who pay it have to say about it!!!)

I'm sure you'll want to go back to "But you don't understand what I mean about government and administration..." rubbish.

So, let me just point out one clear example. The 'disclosure' issue that's plaguing the US at the moment... the government (ie, congress) wants disclosure. It's been put into law that various departments come out with the facts of what they know. However, it's various administrative departments that have blocked this, and is fighting the government (and the people's will) in this! The same can be said with the JFK assassination - the government said X, they got X-Y from the administration.

( I presume you're next post on this is going to be "but you don't *really* understand the words I'm using here... oh, and that's not a 'real' administration - because I'm using it to mean something different! - which, BTW, is called the "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy)

"Morality can be understood by way less intelligent beings than grays and others. Children from the age of 5 can understand it."

This last statement is absolutely, and demonstrably false! Children at the age of 5 can have some basic understanding of the meaning of the words involved, and can sometimes apply it, when they've been taught to. However, their actual ability to internalise is significantly lower than that of an adult's. This is part of their 'emotional maturity', and that as they get older, they are able to apply more effectively this concept of morality. A perfect example is exactly what you used - slavery! 5 year old kids who are used to having slaves around them will grow up to accept that there should be slaves around them. They can be taught either that slavery is ok and right, or that it is not ok and wrong... This is why slavery has existed for tens of thousands of years

Why might Harvey's world be different?

Umm - because everyone is telepathic....!

«If you made it' voluntary', then each and every individual would only contribute the minimum amount they felt they'd have to in order to look after themselves and their families»

I respond to this part, because, according to the Messiah's writings, you would be surprised to see how generous people can and would be if they weren't being constantly stolen from and taxed to the hilt for absolutely every aspect of daily living under the sun; something that probably deserves some attention. Certainly, the population on American-soil is full of «individualistic» culture, everybody kind of being FORCED to «look out for THEMSELVES» and, obviously, are unlikely to «voluntarily» contribute to any particular social-system, especially when said social-system is designed and has been known to screw them over (even I lived in the manner of a homeless-orphan, and, the constant extortion by cops against anybody and everybody who is just trying to move from Point A to Point B on the road, for reasons that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the «safety» of the roads, and EVERYTHING to do with EXTORTION, was certainly NOT something I would fund in order to have PERPETUATED my homeless-status).

How-ever, when a «system» (and its workers) actually take care of its populace, people are most-certainly glad to fund such a system; amongst all «government» systems existing on earth right now, the Singapore «government» seems to have a unique status and reputation, such that, the absolute vast majority of its citizenry and populace are willing to contribute, and, will probably describe it as being out of their own free-will-volition; then there are «farming» communities who co-operate with each other for the net-benefit of their entire community; I am of the personal-opinion, although this opinion is indeed based on evidence, that, this sort of thing needs to happen with the world-community, then we can extend it to the inter-galactic community once the mess on earth has been fixed (for as much as this sounds like Mission-Impossible, I do believe it to be possible, even though its Difficulty Level could certainly be described as Mission-Impossible... probably !)

Ok, you're right! I do need to fix what I wrote...

If the system was in place and people are brought up in it, and they see it as being fair - then yes, it can certainly work.

Trying to get the change come through to a highly competitive and capitalistic place like the US is going to be difficult!

There is a clear comparison to be made between the US and not only Singapore, but also Sweden and other high social welfare (socialist) states.

My intuition tells me that Harvey and Bill The Grey are only telling half truth. I do believe that the Grays are souls that have been enslaved by the reptilians and put into Grey bodies. But it makes no sense that Bill The Grey is pleading with humanity to awaken so that they can help free the Grays. Awakening of humanity could take decades, and even then, humanity may not be interested in freeing the Greys. The Grays would be far better off to ask the Arcturians with superior battleships to free them. So why are they asking humans on Earth? It makes no sense, and I do not trust them.

Grays need to live with humans to redo the 4th Density life they screwed up last time with a nuclear war that drove them underground.

They tried to avoid the difficulty of having emotions and as a result hit a plateau in their spiritual development.

So they need to hybridize with us and live on Earth.

They are the successor species. The question is whether Humans will survive the transition.