My thanks to members of Farsight whom have been turning my attention in this direction. I used to really resent flat earth theory, and think they're just an iconic failure in humanity's ability to reason. And if that's the case, then I have fallen in amongst that deluded crowd. My humble apologies for my past, Flat earthers. To those that challenge the theories: your skepticism is warranted. Test the theories yourself, publish them, and you will help the movement anyway. A couple facts to chew on.

See if you can find this on flight logs-
*Auckland to Lima stops in Los Angeles
*Sydney to Lima stops in Los Angeles
*Johannesberg to Wellington stops in Doha
*Sydney to Mexico City stops in Los Angeles
*NZ to Lima stops in Los Angeles
*Auckland to Mexico City stops in Los Angeles
*Argentina to India stops in Amsterdam

All of these flights on a globe make a long inefficient path in almost opposite directions. But on a flat earth map are near straight lines.

Furthermore the NikonP1000 is doing for Flat Earthers what the GH6 is doing for Farsight. It zooms in at a distance that you can no longer explain the curvature of the Earth when the objects at its greatest distance are not showing any downward curve. Point them at the stars and you will soon see watery waves washing over the light as though we're under some watery firmament. This theory doesn't match up with our modern space programs but it sure matches up with piles and piles of ancient books and sacred text.

If you want something a little more tangible, just look at the rocket launches and their flight paths. There is virtually nothing that shows an unbroken flight. It either flies up, and then stops recording, or switches to CGI. When the rockets do seem to traverse a little extra far, you see the kind of resistance that happens with water. Famous quotes from NASA: "We lost the technology" and "It's fake because it has to be."

Here's another tangible example of a local manufactured sun. All the real imagery taken from amateur cameras shows the sun to be a smooth sphere, not the big rumbling fireball that astronomers depict. Even take a look on a smoky day. Nothing but smooth circle. The solar light through the clouds is very convex. How could something so far away shine so convex?

In almost all the remote viewings zoomed out there's a curved planetary surface. In all of Courtney's accounts of the planet we're on, he talks about the volatility of it and the thin layer of crust shielding the magma. But I also remember a phrase from Bill which basically went "Nothing we're taught is true." and he went on about it, with how twisted our conventional knowledge is.

Basically I'm at the precipice that something needs to get aggressively debunked.

*Either - the globe model we've been given (and it's not that we can't be on a globe. We could be in a dome of a much bigger sphere, or a space station that happens to be a dome-covered disc when a lot of planets are spherical)

*Or - the flat earth stuff.

I'm happy to entertain either one. I like aggressive debunkers, no matter what angle you're choosing. The "hit and run" skeptics are not real skeptics. They just say some ridiculous piece and run away. But I have no problem with someone telling me "this is why you're an idiot" and staying for the argument.

I don't want to spend a lot of time on this angle, but if I'm going to question everything, this is one of those things.

I entertain that Aliens can be living under earth. That the moon could be artificial and so on. But in order to consider the flat earth point of view I would need to see how day becomes night.

With a round earth we can see how the part of Earth that goes dark has rotated behind so that the part facing the sun is now blocking the back part and we get one side with day and the other side with night time.

If we were a flat earth - ie a disk then we would need a way to have day and night time (at the same time) -- ie one half of earth in day time and one part in night time.

To block the sun we would need this disk called earth to tip up and the underside of the disk now could block the top part of flat earth. The problem with this is all of Earth would then become night time and in the day time all of earth would become day time as the disk of Earth tipped back to let the sun shine on it.

I have seen when Australia is setting off their New Years fire works and it occurs at night time. And while that is going on it is day time in North America.

So we then do not have all of Earth in Day time and then 12 hours later all of Earth in Night time.

So it would seem to me we couldn't have this system. Because we have people who can get on their cell phones and ask an Australian is it night time there and it could be confirmed it is night there when it is day time where we are standing.

So then I wonder how this flat earth theory can have half of earth in Day time and the other half in a night time at "separate times" because with a flat earth wouldn't there be all day all at once and then all night all at once --- with that system ?

Not sure if it is my use of EM-Tags that are making me unable to post on these forums but here...
https://www.quantum-note.com/open-responses/flat-earth-response-001.html