I guess they did re-update their web-site again; they didn't launch a «new» web-site; they simply updated their already existing web-site; a «new» web-site would have a domain other than «FarSight.org» or «FarSightPrime.Com» but, for as far as I can tell, that is still FarSight.Org

And I keep getting «Solicitations» from random most-likely «A.I. Characters» (or scammers or dupes if they are real people) on Telegram all the time who keep trying to «pitch» me on joining their various Crypto-Currencies Trading Platforms (or so it seems), but, honestly, they are almost ALL «Pump-and-Dump» schemes where there are numerous various horror-stories of people having lost 5000$US or 7000$US or even much more to these fraudulent-schemes; for people who are so that much into Crypto-Currencies it is definitely worth their investment to drop 5000$US to learn a bit (or maybe a lot) more about the Crypto-Currencies Industries rather than spending that amount or more on falling victim to Crypto-Scams which have made numerous people lose far more than 5000$US whilst getting nothing in return other than a fake-investment pitch which caused them to lose huge amounts of $$$ as a really expensive financial-lesson. Speaking of which...

Anyway, I will teach you right here how to stay CLEAR of those Crypto-Currency Scam-Systems, for one, when they want you to check out some web-site that they wish for you to join in order to «Invest» in Crypto-Currencies so that you can «Earn» so-called Free Money (they will often send you screen-shots of «Look at my deposit & return/withdrawal» in order to try to «pitch» you on the idea that if you put in 10000$US into this system you can get 12000$US back by the end of the month or something similar).

The FIRST thing you're going to do is check their reputation on Trust-Pilot.
https://www.trustpilot.com/

Then the NEXT thing you will do is to put in the domain-name of their Crypto-Currencies-Trading-Platform web-site into https://www.whois.com/whois/ or similar. If that web-site has only existed for one or two years, despite who-ever may be trying to «Pitch» you on having been with the company for 15 or so years, then, you probably shouldn't believe such claims; even more of a red flag is if the contact-information comes from Amsterdam or the Netherlands or Cyprus; there's a reason why Banks/Credit-Card-Companies will often NOT «approve» attempts at purchasing from Merchants who come out of these locations because they are considered to be «hot-beds» for Scammers and at that point you had better just walk away & dis-engage.

You do not seem to understand my point.

If one entity (person, company, cult) requests $10 per months from all the members in order to enter everywhere in the house... EXCEPT ONE SPECIAL ROOM like in the movie THE SHINNING... a room which glitters and is valued at 50 years of membership (50 years is a lot of years) it creates a very creepy atmosphere in the house.

(a) This "insane" or "morally creepy" price plan, automatically creates among the audience 2 classes with a HUGE gap between the two. A crazy gap that is BEYOND proportions.

(b) It is the topic of MONEY that FS chose to separate from the rest of all the other topics of LIFE. As if they had a psyhological issue with money... It is a way to SACRALIZE it.

CONCLUSION: MONEY is like GOD according to Farsight. This is what I mean by "morally questionable." Because of this price plan, someone can say that Farsight has a horrible vison of what society should be. (It has nothing to do with your message about their "product" being a scam or not.)

Prices are typically set according to their market-value; if nobody wants or even knows about its existence, then, good luck trying to make any sales, even if you set the low, low, discount-price of only an insignificant 12$US a month; if people exist in the markets who are practically throwing their money at your product or service the MOMENT you make it available, and, they are an over-whelming amount to keep up with, then, you price the product/service even higher in order to avoid being sold out by the end of the day & not having any product/service available for other customers.

And keeping the price seemingly as what you perceive as «high» might actually BE for «moral» reasons; for example, when the Grand-Master of the Martial Arts System that I teach first came to this country, all he taught originally was just fighting, but, six months down the road, a student of his at New York and another student of his at Florida, for some reason, decided to go to these other Martial Arts Schools where the instructors their had their schools for 20 years & 30 years so were obviously very experienced with martial arts, but, the two students ended up beating the absolute crap out of both of those instructors; our Grand-Master was then all like...: «Oh my God ! Is that what Americans do to each other when they learn how to actually fight ?» Then from that point onwards he no longer taught just fighting (now you really have to earn his trust before he will teach you the really truly effective fighting techniques).

What the Certified Martial Arts Instructors like me have paid for in the ACMAF-System in order to learn the more «insider» skills cost far more than what the «public-students» pay for, and, our techniques are effective enough to where we can typically handle ourselves against at least 95% of what exists out there in the population (and I know this for a fact because I have had plenty of past-students as well as even a past-encounter with an Olympic-wrestler and plenty of jiujitsu-practitioners «pressure-test» me in order to see how «good» I really was at «fighting/sparring» and of course I delivered; even at my instructors school we had plenty of people from all kinds of different back-grounds come into our school and «challenge» us into doing «valé tudo» and what-not so I definitely KNOW that the techniques & material that I have learned in this system are much more highly effective, even if the grand-master only teaches us enough to stay one step ahead of everybody else, rather than so much that we completely end up dominating & obliterating & destroying everyone).

And I am certainly NOT going to be going about teaching people how to «kill someone in 3 seconds» and it would actually BE a «Moral-Decision» on my part, similarly to how we have «public» students versus «indoor» Martial Arts Instructors, such that the «pricing» for you learning any «killing techniques» is going to NEED to be HIGH, and, VERY HIGH, unless I have known you long enough for you to have been able to earn my trust that you're not going to just go about randomly killing a bunch of people whom you don't like just because you think you can.

Additionally, we've actually had people from other styles or schools or what-ever see our combat-techniques, are all like «Wow, that looks really cool, let's take it and start teaching it at our place» (because they've obviously never seen such techniques before since we do possess rare techniques that nobody else out there even has) then they go about teaching it like as-if though they were the ones who invented it and calling it something from their style when it is not (Note : What people know as so-called «BJJ» is actually NOT some sort of «new style» that the Gracies «invented» but is literally JUST jiujitsu as the Gracies did NOT in fact «invent» anything new that didn't already exist within the original version of jiujitsu).

So, THAT would also be another potential-reason for Far-Sight NOT to «freely give out the information» to just everybody, and, additionally, when it comes to «Markets» and «Economy» and «Profitability» there is also such a thing called «Saturation» which people who actually KNOW how this stuff works want to AVOID so that their «investors» have a much higher-rate of being able to achieve success & profitability than if the «market» were to be «saturated...»

Ya goin' ovah-bawd, man; from looking at the offer, the 5K$US amount looks like it covers a big, huge, wide range of time (potentially), and, whilst you are claiming that the FFG's prices are cheaper, you literally yourself made it clear that they were charging 45$US a month (and 100$US for access to «more insider» discussions; I am assuming that this is also on a «per-month» basis).

It's not like the 5K$US price-tag is a per-month thing, but, looks to be like it covers multiple many months over some span-of-time (more than just a month) as opposed to being a «monthly» charge; even I have tried to «market-test» letting students/customers pre-pay ahead by a whole entire year at 2000$US or so, but, apparently, I first still need to get the support-structure established to have enough students & reputation before people are finally convinced enough that it is well-worth the value of what they are paying for (and that they would definitely be getting more out of what I can offer than pretty much anybody else in the same industry).

For all we know they could be «market-testing» but you're still going over-board...

@Manuel

You are an idiot. The truth and nothing but the truth. A deep idiot with a touch of evil. Your head is STIFF like wood. Your posture is so hard. You keep looking at your feet instead of looking at what is in front of you. If you were a car, your wheels would be like squares. Do you understand?

I do not think you understand much. Like an engineer who does not know how to dance or even walk straight. You understand your own insanity and focus on the messenger. Not the message.

It has nothing to do with me, or you. I made my point very clear. Read well. More than one time until you get it. Try to understand before opening your mouth and polluting.

Last but not least, you are advising me to "LEARN REMOVE VIEWING"... lol... Are you trying to be funny? I am already there... if that does not bother you. I charge money for it. I even teach remove viewing. Do you understand?

Thank you on behalf of FS for defending their marketing strategy. I guess that is what Courtney would have said if he was participating (instead of peeking from a keyhole like a dirty voyeur).

You have good points but I strongly disagree with this model. I already said why and I have not much to add: I find it extremely CREEPY to separate the topic of money from the rest of the topics of life. I find that ideologically heavy, ugly and despicable.

Rather than criticizing FS (we could do it forever) I think it is more interesting/efficient to compare FS with another group like FFG. Put them face to face. It is more productive for everyone to learn and improve.

They is a sort of "disagreement" between Dick and Courtney. Dick does not like the New Age topics so much. He rejects the PRISON PLANET interpretation (which FS has engraved in stone).

Dick thinks Courtney talks too much and does not make real CONVERSATIONS with other human beings. He says that when they talk 2 hours he can only talk 2 minutes. This is why Courtney is alone today - with many (great) kids, all brainwashed by him. (NOTE: I am being satyrical on purpose.)

1/ I think FFG's model is much more healthy and democratic. It implies "let us all try to learn and get rich together." Also their governance is very clean: there are many founders. Dick or Daz are not the leaders when it comes to the content. Their viewers are very different from each other with very developped personalities. They all seem older, very politically aware and INDEPENDANT minded. None of them teaches at a university or works for the gov. Also they have hired a special data analyst who's job is only to "wrap things together". This is interesting.

2/ FS is one man band like Smashing Pumkins... or like Mody Dick...

Courtney would be a (POSITIVE?) version of Achab. The crazy capitain ruling alone and animated with a ancient hidden vengence...

Or a sort of modern Abraham who likes to make DEALS on behalf of huanity with higher entities he does not understand :)

FS's pricing model sketches this landscape: (A) a big church or concert hall with a cheap entry price for many people to dance and watch the circus and (B) and special room underground for GREED and only for adults where a minority of hidden shadows gather to summon the true hidden GOD of REALITY according to them: GOLD.

Although I haven't listened to all of their CICO-Publications, they are apparently described as Five-Year-Forecasts; 5000$US over a five-year-span (and getting all of that content for five on-going years) wouldn't make it more expensive than FFG's 100$US/month membership (with discussions) over a five-year time-frame (because there are 12 months in a year which would ultimately result in their, FFG's, price to be 6000$US by the time that five years had elapsed).

Furthermore, if this 5000$US turns out to be some kind of «Life-Time Membership» (something that I opt for when obtaining software like MailBird, AdGuard, and, any other kind of software where you either subscribe for some $$$ amount per month or per year which also provide a life-time-License option, etc.), then its price actually ends up being far less than anybody else who is doing Crypto-Viewing over the long-run.

@ AC

1/ Suppose we agree on the pure value of the data. (I am really not sure their RV data has this value but let us suppose it is good and accurate and useful.) Suppose we agree it should cost XXX and the customer needs to pay that amount.

I disagree on the way to get there. I would not ask for it this way. I would break it up and present a different price plan to the client. Why? (a) In order to be make it more tempting for the customer to sign up. And (b) in order NOT TO GIVE A BAD IMPRESSION OF FARSIGHT to the audience with this price model.

I pretend this model can be interpreted VERY NEGATIVELY as I do in my previous post. And convery a very bad image of Farsight's philosophy or view of society. Treating money as a special SACRALIZED topic.

(2) I do not think it is interesting and even possible to evaluate the value of this data by looking at Farsight alone.

We need to make a comparative pannel with at least one other entity. This is the only way to make this discussion interesting and productive. I suggest comparing with FFG who only charge $45 per month for a huge amount of crypto content. This way we can see the difference.

FS is evaluating its data like 10 years of continuous subscription to FFG.

But note that one can subsbribe to one month at FFG and watch everything... and even download the videos with a pluggin... so one can get all the data from FFG for a one time fee of $45.

Is there another company we can add to this comparison board?

@NewPat

Not to contradict anything you wrote, just to add to it :

For every topic, money or politics or what, RV offers a "second line of convergence." In other words: "another separate source of intelligence" which adds to whatever is already on the table. No more than that and no less than that. If this is clear (if one does not overestimate nor underestimate RV) than RV is extremely useful. It become real magic. This is what all those RV protocoles try to do.

@Pat McDonald
well Pat your not the only one trading although i don't do it for that many years but quite a few, and to be trading since 2002 i got give it to you because, trading through phone calls with the broker since in that time trading was changing from what we call "paper trading" to be fully into digital/computers, was a time where there was still a great threat due to hackers and so on. and yes fundamental analyses for me represent probably around 20 to 30% of the overhaul analyses, technical data is key, absolutely, but even to every technical pattern is based on the life events that never happened like they are happening now, as you know you are in the beginnings of a new financial structure wherever that is headed. You also know that although markets always seek balance it's not 100% accurate that all supply and demand and imbalances zones will be claimed, and im saying this while working "with" supply/demand and specially imbalance zones.
"During my career, I have not once been blindsided by some event that caused great loss as I know how to manage risk. " totally agree on this, however you are trading and day-trading or swing trading, these concepts i believe are more for an investor wise approach for the long run.
However in terms of predicting the behavior of a particular market into the next 5 years for example you simply don't have any information that can lead us to say "it's going into this value or in this direction", there's simply no pattern and data that can pinpoint to that on such a long term. That is where i believe RV comes in help, it probably can't be precise but can help on long term investments.

@Cy ko
i was checking on a new class that is going to open from a brazilian trader that i respect.. that class is fully booked now and each ticket cost around 80.000k dollars to enter.
This is the last class that only those that developed their trading can access. the other classes are still working in the lower courses since they are still learning, but everyone as showed and claim more than 50.000k in 6 months of trading. Those that will attend the 80k course are making more than 500k bucks in 2 years of working.
Different investments to different capabilities.
Also:
"They is a sort of "disagreement" between Dick and Courtney. Dick does not like the New Age topics so much. He rejects the PRISON PLANET interpretation (which FS has engraved in stone). "
I honestly don't think that is the case and i do believe Dick likes Courtney and has he said it, he respects him, but i do believe Dick also agrees with the concept of Prison Planet just probably not so much to the extend that FS claims, and that ok.
"1/ I think FFG's model is much more healthy and democratic. It implies "let us all try to learn and get rich together." Also their governance is very clean: there are many founders. Dick or Daz are not the leaders when it comes to the content. Their viewers are very different from each other with very developped personalities. They all seem older, very politically aware and INDEPENDANT minded. None of them teaches at a university or works for the gov. Also they have hired a special data analyst who's job is only to "wrap things together". This is interesting."
i do agree with this to some extent, although i cannot speak to that degree since im not a subscriber of them, but although we are talking about the financial part we are also talking about to different focus from each company.

"So, you are remote viewing and charge money for it. Just view the crypto identities yourself and charge less than $5000, such that people will come to you instead and Farsight will be forced to lower their prices."

Do you even read the messages? Why are you ignoring FUTURE FORCASTING GROUP? They have already done that. And there probably other groups using RV for Crypto and finance. And I would love to do it myself if I had a group.

The idea here is to compare different pricing plans against eachother.

https://futureforecasters.com/tiers

Your idea was to frame Farsight's pricing as immoral, while in reality, it's not a moral issue.

I have to insist on that because it's very important to get morals right.

If you are interested, I would have an idea for this...

Yes :) This is where I am going to with this thread. The idea is not to get mad at eachother.

But until now people are not interacting smartly to my provocations... They think I am attacking the CULT... so their reflex is to defend it!!!

This is the first messsage that makes sense and sounds like the beginng of a CONVERSATION.

I understand we need to monetize but frankly I think the concept of a PAYWALL is a problem on the long term. What is beautiful is the multiplication of those RV groups/projects. In quatity and quality. The more groups the better. And if each one has its little payall, it cannot work. The content should be part of the public web to have a stronger (disclosure) effect.

The point is to reach as many people as possible. A paywall kills this. It is a form of SELF CONTAINEMENT. Putting yourself out of the main avenue.

ON THE LONG TERM, paywalls suck for 2 reasons... (1) because one would have to pay for all the groups each month if one wants permanent access to all the data... imagine following many groups like FS, FFG and so on... most people would only chose one or two... this is not good for spreading the content... (2) because closing the access with a paywall can lead to groups doing projects that have already been done but without knowing about eachother... this is terrible... (ideallly when doing an RV project about an important topic one should be able to check what has already been done about it and start from there)

My fear is that you might get bored if I "relax" as you are kindly suggesting.

But fear leads to the dark side. 😉