I HAVEN’T paid taxes in 30 years and NO American should” | Redacted with Clayton Morris
I have paid quite a large amount in tax deductable areas over the last 12 years.
That's a lot of tax returns to complete. Payback time. :)
It's not possible to stop paying taxes if you don't understand why taxes exist in the first place.
No, it's not because of the prison planet.
A tax essentially is an insurance contribution. As long as you pay, the other side can be assured that you will not aggress against them.
The foundation of each and every control system is fear.
Manuel. you are alluding to the philosophy of taxation. This is the fallacy that most of the public commits on a daily basis whenever encountering any law or statute they are trying to understand. They don't learn the actual legislative foundation behind the code or statute (the definitions of the words and phrases). Because researching all the definitions of the words and phrases is often very boring and time-consuming, they turn to idealism, because it's more fun and easy. You can imagine a purpose for why such a code exists. But that has not defined the foundation for why *this* code exists. If you read the document of the original post, yes it's dry and fairly boring* but you start to see why many people no longer pay once they understand.
The other thing is people rationalizing tax fail repeatedly to articulate a philosophy for the *limits* of taxation. So they tax your labour, they tax your trades. And if you try to just live on a property, they tax that too.
Well ok I should correct myself a bit. It's true that failure to understand the mechanism of taxation will prevent one from unconning themselves.
But I also want to dispel the myth that the veil of deception is this insurmountable barrier demanding endless study and meditation. Both the legal veil and the psionic veil are almost paper thin, not iron clad. I would very much like to see someone pierce both veils. That is to say: a state National whom remote views.
I didn't say that taxation is right. I explained why evil people think they need it, so people can understand how evil will react if you stop paying taxes. Evil will fear you and the freedom you represent, because evil believes that freedom is chaos.
This one is quite curious... here is a basic-description : «On 14 Oct. 2020 the UNITED STATES CORPORATION COMPANY filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy in the Northern District of Florida Bankruptcy Court. This was an involuntary bankruptcy filing assigned the bankruptcy case number #20-40375. The bankruptcy petition for UNITED STATES CORPORATION COMPANY showed assets in the range of Unknown with liabilities in the range of Unknown. UNITED STATES CORPORATION COMPANY reports creditors in the range of 1-49.»
https://www.bankruptcyobserver.com/bankruptcy-case/UNITED-STATES-CORPORATION-COMPANY
Case-Law can be searched via that web-site; all the more evidence that «The State» are not Transparent Organic-Governments, but, are For-Profit Crony-Capital-Style Corporate-Businesses.
Ummm - what's curious about it??
Did you actually bother to read (and understand) this "bankruptcy case"??? Given your description above, I have to presume you didn't.... you've obviously just read something on some website and gone with it.... Let me clarify things for you...
Here's the first link for you.... (not the actual case, but gives the general information regarding it and the judges opinion)
https://ecf.flnb.uscourts.gov/opinions/Opinion.aspx?id=337
Please note the use of "Alleged Debtor" in this filing!!! (also here https://www.inforuptcy.com/browse-filings/florida-northern-bankruptcy-court/4:20-bk-40375/bankruptcy-case-united-states-corporation-company)
It is NOT in any way, shape or form suggesting that a) there is such a legal entity as "United States Corporation Company", let alone b) that such an entity is equated to the US government, and that c) it somehow filed for bankruptcy. (I'll just add, that their crap claim was against:
As “Defendants” in the Counter-Affidavit the Submitters named:
• United States Corporation Company [Alleged Debtor];
• Karen K. Specie, Chief U.S. Bankruptcy Judge [the undersigned];
• United States Bankruptcy Court for the Northern District of Florida;
• International Monetary Fund;
• United States Treasury;
• Internal Revenue Service;
• Depository Trust Company;
• Department of State;
• Department of Defense;
• Department of Commerce; and
• United Nations, et. al.
What that case number does show is that some pain in the arse sovereign citizen by the name of “Highly Favored Shekinah El,” “Zoser-Ra Neterkeht El,” and “Maalik Rahshe El” who listed themselves as:
• “Minister of Defense for the Asiatic Nation of North America, under the jurisdictional authority of The MOORISH SCIENCE
TEMPLE OF AMERICA, d/b/a Sheik, Zoser-Ra Neterkeht El, Trustee . . . .;”
• “Sheikess, Highly Favored El, Moorish American National . . . and Citizen of foreign Nation State . . . i.e., Asiatic Nation of North America;” and
• “Sheik, Maalik Rahshe Moorish American National . . . and Citizen of the Asiatic nation of North America Nation/State, i.e.
Asiatic Nation of North America
Who tried to BRING a case of bankruptcy (involuntary) to the courts in Florida (they failed, by the way, as there was nothing to support the claims being made!)
What also happened is that the judge a) wanted them to show why the case shouldn't be thrown out as being filed "in bad faith", and b) that they can no longer file such cases, as they are considered "vexatious litigant(s)''.
The judgement includes "Much of that paper consists of virtually incomprehensible and overall irrelevant assertions, including: portions of federal admiralty, antitrust and other statutes; excerpts from Articles of the U.S. Constitution and District of Columbia Code; and declarations regarding “the Asiatic Nation of North America” and the “MOORISH SCIENCE
TEMPLE OF AMERICA . . . As de jure Republican form of Constitutionally sanctioned Government . . . .”"
I'll repeat - "virtually incomprehensible and overall irrelevant assertions" (with the standard, "admiralty law" BS that is common to SC movements - that have failed in every case it's been attempted in, both in the US and in other countries, such as Canada and Australia, usually getting the plaintiff in jail for wasting the court's time (and contempt of court), or just thrown out (ie, NOT actually winning the case!)
To continue...
When the Court asked Sheik, Zoser-Ra Neterkeht El if he was a licensed attorney authorized to practice law, he replied: “No, I do not practice law, I am law.”
"After explaining that only licensed attorneys may represent parties, the Court permitted Sheik, Zoser-Ra Neterkeht El to listen in on the hearing as a non-participant. The Court warned Sheik, Zoser-Ra Neterkeht El that if he disrupted the proceedings he would be removed. Despite this warning, Sheik, Zoser-Ra Neterkeht El continued to interrupt. For that reason, the Court instructed the CourtCall operator to mute or disconnect the telephone line on which Sheik, Zoser-Ra Neterkeht El was speaking, which she did."
That is - your bullshit interpretations of what you think are law are meaningless in these here real law courts!!!
Finally:
For the reasons stated, it is
ORDERED:
1. The Papers submitted are meritless, abusive, frivolous, scandalous, and impertinent.
Here's another paper referring to the same case: https://ecf.flnb.uscourts.gov/opinions/Opinion.aspx?id=331
And I love this bit in it... "None of the testimony at the Show Cause hearing reflects a scintilla of legal or factual support"
Here's her records with the Florida Northwest District Court,.,, https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/33990531/IN_RE_HEPHZIBAH
You probably really don't want to dive too deep into it..... when you realise this person has been in prison for fraud, and is trying to make numerous claims against any and everyone that they think they can (including *every* judge who rules against them...), you'll find yourself in a *very* embarrassing situation..... sort of like a Clinton on Epstein Island....
(please note that in writing this, I went through a number of actual documents from various official sources regarding a number of the aspects of the case(s), including reading bits of the original filings... ("international war crimes" ???? In a bankruptcy filing???)
We've been through this before - you post something, I look it up. I find there's no actual evidence to support your claims, and I find LOTS of evidence saying your claim is crap... I then ask you to provide *any* evidence (good or not!) to support your claims, and then you tell me some crap about "do it yourself"... and then silence.
So, what's it going to be this time??? Do you want her (Syteria Hephzibah - the plaintiff in the case you linked) criminal record??? Would it make any difference?
I commend your scrutiny in regards to the case, but, I made no specific claims about this specific case other than to call it a curious one; the description was also quoted (not my own words). Now that you've dug up a portion of the case where he was asked if he is authorised to practice law, but, answered with a statement, you are probably not yet aware of this obscure rule with the court-systems, but, his responding as a statement, rather than in the form of a question, was his mistake;
See, when it comes to «winning» (or losing) in the court-rooms, the number one thing that determines who gains the «creditor» (rather than debtor) status revolves around what they call «staying in honour» (I will need some time to dig back up my records, for, which, unfortunately, much of which was lost from a thumb-drive-failure nearly a year ago, but, I will be sure to make significant-efforts towards trying to retrieve them so that I can provide you with the various hidden/obscure rules of the court-systems that you can examine for yourself; one thing that's related is a publication known as Corpus Juris Secundum which would probably make you fierce enough in the court-rooms and court-systems after you've read through it to be able to win just about any «case» against any lawyers you might ever need to «play» against).
For now, I can only retrieve what I know or have learned from memory, some of which are as follows, and, you should be able to find LCDs (Lowest Common Denominators) behind why «Sovereign Citizens» lose their cases which match one or more of this list...:
① He who creates an argument creates a controversy
② He who creates a controversy goes into dishonour
③ He who goes into dishonour has no «standing»
④ The one who does the «asking» is «as» the «king»
Then there are various others, such as how/why it is a mistake to make statements (rather than asking questions), some sort of law of three (e.g. : one needs to repeat the reservation of rights at least three times before any rights take any actual effect or before any public-servant working in the capacity of a LEO rather than a Peace-Officer will acknowledge said right, etc), etc. Anyway, you should be able to see common themes related to the above (and in this paragraph) for all cases where someone has «lost» the «case» and it should also be noted that the word «opinion» is not the same as «fact» and the courts only deal with «opinions» even if it is worded as being based on the «facts of the case...»
Once I can figure out where all of my files are, most of the text-based ones which do seem to have been successfully recovered (probably), just that their names are all jumbled up now so I have to literally manually go through each and every one of them individually in order to determine which file they originally were, and, get then re-named and re-organised to be able to find all of the information related to and pertinent to «law» materials, I should be able to respond much more quickly with relevant information in the future, but, keep in mind that we do live in a somewhat modern-day 1984 where «Antifa» protests were called «peaceful» whilst the 6th January event was called «terroristic» so I do tend to be skeptical of the language used by «judges» and court-systems (and, question for you, have you looked up the judges themselves ? Do you know who Anthony Scalia was ? What if a «judge» like Anthony Scalia were «hearing» the case rather than any of those other «judges» ?).
Terence, the returned Messiah, himself, had submitted a 400-page «defense» in the past, towards which the «judge(s)» who «over-saw» his case(s) responded in /clearly/ «treasonous» manners by both ignoring and saying that the «constitution» was irrelevant and that there were other cases that have over-rode the constitution with latter-day legislation as-if though that were something that a country or its citizens should be «proud» of (also, note, each and _every_ «constitution» in /existence/ *should* have a clause which reads : «The Constitution shall be the *Supreme Law* of the Land»)
You know I am willing to respond, and, will even make efforts to take responsibility for any of my mistakes or errors if I am proven incorrect, and, for any errors that you have pointed out elsewhere (threads other than this one), any silence on my part is probably because you did not ask any follow-up questions or I simply had not respond yet or some combination thereof; I do acknowledge that you have and do make corrections which I do very much appreciate, but, any response would simply be an acknowledgement that you were/are correct, such as correcting the definitions of words or how to properly use a word-definition, but, many of those in the other threads I already considered to be clear and obvious enough as to not warrant nor need any «argument» from me in response.
Anyway, you have already more-than-proven to me that you are a very thorough researcher, one with a truly and genuinely scientific-mind, and, you have my thanks for being an extremely valuable-member of this on-line forum-community with Far-Sight. For your last question, regarding the «criminal record» for the Plaintiff, just keep in mind that I adhere more to the «Court of God» (a term I am borrowing from The Messiah) in regards to the «legitimacy» as to whether a «crime» is an /actual/ «crime» or not, rather than what «man-made» law simply «criminalised» (it's apparently now a «jailable criminal-offense» to «mis-gender» someone or will offend people if you insist that there are only two gendres).
" but, I made no specific claims about this specific case other than to call it a curious one; the description was also quoted (not my own words)."
Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that...The "basic description" looks like a C&P, but also comes across as though you fully agree with it, especially with the last clause/sentence/paragraph at the end. So, it appears as though you fully endorse the text - which, as I've indicated, does *not* effect what is in the description.
" a portion of the case where he was asked if he is authorised to practice law, but, answered with a statement, you are probably not yet aware of this obscure rule with the court-systems, but, his responding as a statement, rather than in the form of a question, was his mistake;"
I can't say I know all the intricacies of US law, but if that BS was tried in my home country, they'd be done for contempt of court! If a question is asked, a direct answer is required.. otherwise, it's clearly trying to obfuscate the situation - *especially* with such a simple and direct (and legally important) piece of information. If you're not going to co-operate with the court, then don't expect the court to be even slightly lenient towards you.
"Corpus Juris Secundum is an encyclopedia of United States law at the federal and state levels. It is arranged alphabetically, into over 430 topics, ." Yep, got it!
(BTW, I'm not registering with PACER, nor any other thing that requires any real data to be given... I do use an anonymous email account though).
"why «Sovereign Citizens» lose their cases"
Ummmm.... it's because they don't know the law, and try to BS their way out of things by speaking crap... such as "Oh, look at your flag, you *MUST* be using admiralty law, and therefore you *HAVE* to abide by what I think it means...", or "Well, in 1215, this document was signed... and I only accept what's written on that as being real and valid". Yeah... not going to win any cases here! (yes, I spent a few hours watching SC video fails... even a couple where the SC claimed no such law exists... and then searched and found said law).
" but, keep in mind that we do live in a somewhat modern-day 1984 "
I certainly don't disagree that a LOT of bullshit is going on, and that the systems are gamed so that we generally lose to the elites. (but... there WERE peaceful ANTIFA protests (and some which turned violent, for one reason or another... state actors, anti-ANTIFA, renegades, etc...), and yes, storming the White House should be seen as an act of terrorism (at least, by definition). Although, whether that's actually a 'bad' thing or not is a different matter...)
"you are a very thorough researcher,"
Honestly, not really.... I only put in about 30 mins... (but, I am educated to post-graduate level, and have had to write numerous papers... so, it's not that much for me).
" in regards to the «legitimacy» as to whether a «crime» is an /actual/ «crime» or not, rather than what «man-made» law simply «criminalised»"
While I can empathise, it's not stopping people from going to jail.
A different word for 'law' should be used then.
"genuinely scientific-mind,"
I'm getting sick and tired of being wrong with some of my beliefs.... and by reading about others who don't bother to do any critical thinking or research.... "Follow the evidence"
"You have my thanks for being an extremely valuable-member of this on-line forum-community with Far-Sight."
thank you! I do hope that I provide some value. Although I'm often going to be seen as a nay-sayer, it's genuinely because I want to see improvement... And try to see things from the sceptics (which I often am) perspective - which is the rest of the world.
I am compelled to ask : Do you trust in and believe in those who run and own and operate the court-systems ? Anybody over here on the land-mass that is often mistaken as being called the «U.S.» who has ever had to personally deal with being forced into the court-systems, even when they had not caused nor inflicted any amount of injury nor suffering nor damage nor harm to either person or property, who «complied» with EVERYTHING that they were ordered or instructed, yet, got «screwed over» and «charged» anyway, even when falsely accused of so-called «crimes» that they did not actually commit, who has any semblance of a functional moral-compass, will NOT view it as a «legitimate» system nor operations. Are you telling me that there is NO «corruption» to be found in the court-systems or practices of court-officials of your home-country or even any country in existence ?
I am also compelled to ask : You mention having watched various «sovereign-citizen» videos. May I ask which sources and/or channels and/or web-sites have uploaded the videos in which you have watched ? And if those sources were scrutinised, then, would they be found to be «objective» fact-tellers ? Are they in the category of «liberal» media ? Are those sources themselves and people involved in them completely corruption-free ? The whole issue with /why/ people «fight» the «court-system» is /because/ there is NO «remedy» to be found even when you are FALSELY ACCUSED (and, whether you can fathom this or not, government-officials over here are indeed committing various treasons and felonies on a daily basis in violation of their own laws and rules, particularly that of the various statutes listed within Title 18, such as Title 18 §§242-3).
The U.S. is also THE. MOST. ASBOLUTE. LITIGOUS. COUNTRY. IN. THE. ENTIRE. WORLD. Consisting of literally MORE than 50% of ALL of the ENTIRE WORLD's lawyers; there's a reason for all of the «challenges» against these CORRUPT courts, CORRUPT lawyers, CORRUPT judges, and, the extremely suspicious «died of natural causes» death (more like murdered and followed up by a cover-up) of former Chief-Justice Anthony Scalia; speaking of former Chief-Justices... : «At least 75% to 90% of all lawyers are either corrupt or incompetent if not both...» -Former Chief Justice Earl Warren (I really should have collected and kept screen-shots of when it was actually possible to find evidence of this quote on-line before the search-engine-cabal-controllers scrubbed it off, but, I guess we still have the tool of Remote-Viewing to be able to determine whether these so-called judges and lawyers and so-forth are truly free of any «skeletons in their closets» and, DMP the mind of Former Chief-Justice Earl Warren himself to confirm his sentiments/dispositions towards lawyers and attorneys, even find out the real cause of death of Anthony Scalia, for which plenty of evidence exists to put the MSM-Narrative into serious question).
Re : Beliefs
Most people aren't willing to question their own beliefs, especially their most-strongly held beliefs, but, this is a literal exercise that I have done on myself for already many years now, and, thus, whilst I am comfortable with many of the conclusions I have come to and arrived at, I am not opposed to having my views and paradigm-grid scrutinised; you are probably amongst one of those whom are the most-aware on these forums that I do make an effort to try to fill any gaps in my paradigm-grid.
Finally, you and I both agree that the «system(s)» are «rigged» such that you will most-certainly just about ALWAYS «lose to the elite(s)» and, that seems to be the main issue in contention brought up by those whom are «fighting against the system» so-to-speak; I should also note, that, even in Legalese, the term «sovereign» is not the same thing as a «sovereign citizen» which is also not the same thing as a «secured party creditor» but, they each operate under different «rule-sets» and, quite ironically, the «police» often act and behave EXACTLY like the «sovereign-citizens» whom they claim are such an existential-threat to society, sovereigns (not to be confused with SC) typically operate in accordance to what is often termed Natural-Law (some call it or interpret it as God's Law), then there are the Secured Party Creditors whom are so absurdly well-versed in the matters of the Legalese-systems that they know exactly when and where to cross their T's and dot their I's, but, the amount of paper-work that they put together is such, that, I guess the best way to describe it is that they sort of have their own EULA or TOS, where-end the End-User (from EULA) are put to the government and its officials themselves, something like how you are bound by the terms of a contract when you sign a contract, but, they have it set-up in such a way as to where the government is required to follow the terms of the contract, to the benefit of the SPC, perhaps this will be the «closest thing» that you would actually be able to find «on record» in regards to anybody being able to «win» their «cases» against government-entities. Once more, Sovereigns and SCPs are similar to one another, but, not the same, and, Sovereign-Citizens (not to be confused with either SCPs or Sovereigns) are just people who are «doing it wrong» as defined by Encyclopaedia-Dramatica.
Yes, I do value your contributions, although, for all intents and purposes, things are already actually pretty good around here, considering that it is actually possible to discuss a variety of topics, including those that are considered to be in the categories of both religion(s) and politics, without the result being 5000+ view count threads by the end of the week being full of everybody throwing tantrums at each other like a bunch of spoiled little children; perhaps the demographics here must just be that a large percentage of the forum-population are probably older people who've managed to evolve past emotional-adolescence, and, that could be a factor, but, the younger generations really need to learn a lot of the stuff that we cover here, otherwise, future-generations are potentially doomed to be a lost cause...
" Do you trust in and believe in those who run and own and operate the court-systems ?"
I 'trust' and 'believe in' those who try to operate the court systems to do what they believe to be the correct, legal thing to do (although, how well they choose to do that - whether it's with 100% commitment, or obviously bad days of barely 5% - is a different matter). those further up the chain, like in politics, who actually have the means of control, I obviously don't think they have the best interests of people in their hearts (if they have the metaphorical one) or minds.
But, your average court official - including judges - generally yes, I do think that they aren't as corrupt as you believe. (corruptED - by the system they went through [like doctors these days**] - is different). They interpret the law and the precedents in a way that is, for the most part, appropriate, logical, relevant (although, quite obviously, there are biases and political aspects involved - hence, higher incarceration rates for some demographics than others... or fully shit sentences for some crimes compared to others... e.g., 3 years for aggravated rape and assault - 30 years for tax fraud... that type of thing).
So, when your typical SC goes into a court spewing stuff about 'admiralty law', and 'trying to ascertain jurisdiction' - the judge is going to do what is most appropriate - throw that shit out. (bearing in mind that the vast majority of SCs who go to these cases actually have NO background in law, let alone actual Constitutional law, nor apparently how the laws came into effect, nor how they exist now).
As for the videos I watched - just compilations of FIRST HAND videos - some are from police cams, some court cams, some are from the SCs themselves. Granted, there may well be some issues of bias in what gets to stay on the YTs or other sites - but the actual videos themselves are pretty clear.
"The USA is the most litigious country in the world". Well, yes... that's because of the civil laws that are in place. (and because of the lawyers who keep on promoting them). It says a LOT about the American psyche (and unwillingness to take personal responsibility for accidents. Someone is always looking to blame someone else (and get paid a HUGE amount for it ... IMNSHO). It's like the way guns are treated... It, in itself, does not in any way suggest that it's "corrupt". One aspect of this is the way payments are set for winning plaintiffs... (Tens of) millions of dollars for fairly minor upsets.
Does that mean there aren't other issues that compound the problems? Absolutely not. The wealth inequality - especially the way it's distributed along racial lines, and the still overt racism in the country (not to say other countries aren't worse).
"Finally, you and I both agree that the «system(s)» are «rigged» such that you will most-certainly just about ALWAYS «lose to the elite(s)» and, that seems to be the main issue in contention brought up by those whom are «fighting against the system» so-to-speak;"
Well, yes.. but that's not going to change by having people who know nothing about the law (except a couple of clips off YT - with ZERO evidence to actually support it... let alone any critical thinking to go with it (and, here, *especially* not a willingness to investigate further to see if there's any counter points which blow those things out of the water)). There are, and have been, attempts to change things through courts (including your Supreme Court)... granted, some of which go nowhere because (for some reason I can't explain, they get to decide what they'll hear!!!) The right of the state to impose income tax is one of them...
However, losing to the elites isn't usually because of corruption. It's because they have the money to throw at lawyers to keep things wrangled up in the court system to far beyond the financial means of the opponents. And, yes, I won't deny that there certainly have been (and, no doubt, are) other corrupting factors at work... pressures applied, words in ears, etc etc. However, I also think that's in their personal vested interests, not in a general "I have a right to travel" or "I don't have to pay income tax" type of thing.
"«At least 75% to 90% of all lawyers are either corrupt or incompetent if not both...»"
part of your problem there is equating 'competent' with 'has 100% full knowledge of every single (relevant) law, article, and precedent... Certainly, no lawyer is going to know or remember everything. Or even that the computer systems they use are going to cough them all up. But, yes, lawyers are (apparently) still human, and they make mistakes. And there's different levels of competency - just like every other field. (the other problem with your statement is there's no evidence to back it up... like I occasionally say, 86.3% of statistics are made up on the spot... (noting that, by making it 86.3%, it magically makes it sound more believable!))
Speaking of which... if these SCs who don't want to pay tax, or somehow think that the word 'travel' equates to using any and all means of transportation (Spoiler alert: it doesn't!), then they'll need to pay the lawyers to fight the fight... not do it themselves. (yes, it's rigged like that). OR, spend a few years studying *ALL* of the laws (fortunately, the internet makes that a LOT easier!) - which does make me wonder how AI and the law will change things!
(** Considering that the whole virus thing is still a 'theory' and has never been categorically proven, and yet 99% of doctors will treat based on it being a proven fact... (Now, I'm not saying that viruses don't exist... just that it's a paradigm that's been entrenched in the medical profession. It doesn't mean they're all Big Pharma shills. It doesn't mean they're corrupt, or in on the game... it just means that they have agreed to go along with the narrative. And, given that we have drugs which are 'anti-viral', and they work a large percentage of the time, it's actually understandable that they would accept this paradigm. Much like the way a religious, economic or political system is accepted with no actual evidence - in any part of the world!)
"Yes, I do value your contributions,"
Again, thank you!
Yes, we have a very small crowd here, which is good in one way.
A few years ago, I decided to change my career path (not that I really had one :p) when I discovered the International Baccalaureate subject of Theory of Knowledge - which is basically an applied epistemology (and philosophy of science, and ethics, arts, etc.). Its' about how we construe 'knowledge', what is 'truth', why we value some 'knowledge' over others, how much and what type of evidence is sufficient for any claims (and why that amount differs depending on those claims) etc etc etc... I LOVE it!!! I think it's the best subject in any school , and absolutely EVERY school should teach it! I also love saying that there are rarely any 'right' answers, and tends to bring up far more questions than it even gets close to answering... :D :D :D
I do think - definitely - there's a big issue on the sovereignty of any government, and its supposed right to make laws that affect people in the land... but, that's something that lawyers and governments aren't going to poke a 50' pole towards... they must *assume* that they have those rights, and that their pieces of paper actually validate that stance...
And to take it one step further, when you revoke your election with the RoE affidavit (original post), thereby transferring your Nationality to a state, you become a true member of American common law, where *only the state constitution* applies to you, codes and statutes do not. After which there are many steps you can take to compel all USA Inc policy enforcement (police) to recognize you as such, including a foreign diplomat passport, vehicle plates, and USPO mail.
Your all capital name is a person that lives in Puerto Rico (I'm not making this up) and everything that applies to that name must be sought there. Everything you thought was a debt to the name is a positive value in debt notes, the debtor being the IMF not those doing business with them.
Once you really see it, you find out we all had it completely backwards. We were conned and we can uncon ourselves.
" We were conned"
Yes... yes you were........
Re : S-B
(I am Responding with a new Sub-Thread as Follows for Forum-Readability)
Even if the «average Joe» working in the system isn't necessarily inherently «corrupt» that does not mean that they will not become corrupt; there are sayings that there are two types of politicians : the corrupt, and, the to-be-corrupted.
Another issue is the high-compartmentalisation that exists in these systems. They are «only following orders» after all. Such compartmentalisation is such that you can get one group of people to literally think that they are «helping families» via loading them onto box-cars and doing «good for society» but, upon their routing or «re-routing» over to Auschwitz, the reality becomes very different, and, regardless of how much of a «good citizen» they believe themselves to be or others believe that they are, that does not change the fact that they are/were complicit to crimes-against-humanity.
And «your typical SC» are already automatically making two mistakes:
1) Calling themselves «sovereign-citzens»
2) Allowing themselves to be called «sovereign-citizens»
In Legalese, the two words are literally mutually exclusive in definition, the Sovereign being the rightful-decision-maker, the Citizen being the Slave or the Subject who MUST FOLLOW THE ABSOLUTE COMMANDS AND ORDERS of the King or Sovereign. To call oneself a «sovereign-citizen» is akin to saying they are a «king-slave» (e.g. : lulwot the king of slaves!?). In THAT sense, they have not truly nor seriously done their homework nor research on the «law» and, such a MAJOR MISTAKE like that is obviously going to lose the metaphorical-psychological-chess-match; it's akin to assigning yourself as the ball itself in a ball-game rather than as the referree; you're just going to get «punted» like the «ball» that you assigned as the role for yourself.
Jurisdiction : Most people don't know what this word even means or entails. In the simplest translation of terms it SHOULD be defined as «legitimate authority» or «legitimate rule» for which one of the MAJOR CONDITIONS for its «legitimacy» is the ABSENCE OF FRAUD (but, considering that just about nearly the whole entire court-system, and, people running them, are operating on fraud, breaking and violating their own so-called laws/rules/etc., THAT is where and how «jurisdiction» is supposed to be challenged, NOT a «parrotting/repeat» of the phrase : «I challenge jurisdiction» without even knowing all of the pre-requisites to all of the definitions and meanings that go along with the word : Jurisdiction).
Did you know that any and all legitimate-videos pertaining to exposing the fraud and lies and deceptions of the court-systems is actually MORE heavily censored and suppressed and banned and shadow-banned than even the existence of the Far-Sight Institute ? I am not surprised if you are unable to find/locate any videos where sovereigns (NOT to be confused with SCs) have in fact, recorded on video their Demand for Judges' Oaths of Office documents, explaining how to write them up, submitting them into the court-systems, and, only finding that 3 out of 50 «judges» in the whole entire state even had any properly filed and bonded Oath of Office (spoiler-alert : this is a REQUIREMENT for them to be a «legitimate judge» or it's a FRAUD for them to even «rule over» any such cases, and, the ones who do have such Oaths, yet, rule /against/ «Constitutional» rule have committed TREASON).
Are you even aware that MOST «lawyers» (and attorneys) also do NOT know anything about «constitutional-law» ? Are you aware that the «constitution» is ONLY an «elective» for lawyers/attorneys ? You should be able to verify this easily for yourself since there should at least be a few videos in existence with actual lawyers/attorneys themselves who've tried to bring public-attention to the fact that most lawyers/judges/attorneys are actually NOT trained in constitutional-law (even a so-called SC would know more about it than the liars, err, I mean lawyers... wait, lawyers ARE liars, but, not to digress; anyway, lawyers/attorneys do in fact, operate either in ignorance of constitutional-law or are so corrupt as to play stupid as to the fact that such a thing even exists; IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO ATTEND A U.S. HEARING OR TRIAL where the word «constitution» is even mentioned, you WILL witness the «judge» immediately respond : «Mention that C word and I'll hold you in contempt of court» and WHY do you think that is ? I speak from PERSONAL-EXPERIENCE on this by the way, WITNESSING such «TREASON» happening FIRST-HAND, when in fact, EVERY «Oath of Office» REQUIRES them to UPHOLD the Constitution).
And, I DO _have_ the «evidence to back up» much of what I have written here in response, just in case I need to point to the specific law or specific wording of Oaths of Office or the specific Legalese-records as to what constitutes fraud and otherwise. I won't go over ALL of them, but, I will list at least SOME of them as follows...:
4th-Amendment (U.S. Federal-Constitution; similar wording also should exist in State-Constitutions)
«The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized»
5th-Amendment (U.S. Federal-Constitution; similar wording also should exist in State-Constitutions)
«No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.»
6th-Amendment (U.S. Federal-Constitution)
This is the right to know the cause and nature of any charges being levied or pressed against a Defendant. Whilst you had mentioned that questions are meant to be answered in a court-setting, that does not mean that the question cannot be answered, BUT, the answer needs to be responded to in the form of a question, otherwise, the «sovereign» changes his «status» into that of a «citizen» and WILL LOSE the «case» due to going into «dishonour» as I have explained in a previous response. Here is a good example of the RIGHT way to respond, when asked, for example : «Why did you steal the money ?» the correct way to respond, rather than saying «I didn't (actually) steal anything» (statement) would be something like : «Why are you assuming that I am a thief when I was actually falsely accused of stealing ?» (Note : In Legal-Rules, the first question would normally be OBJECTED to, due to being what is called a «Leading Question» which would make/render any answers obtained from such questioning invalid).
18 USC section 2381 : States are NOT allowed to pass «laws» AGAINST the constitution (yet they do anyway : THIS. IS. TREASON!!!)
Now onto the «Driver/Traveller» stuff; believe you me, IF you were FORCED to live on your OWN at a CORRUPT City like Lynnwood, Washington, and, PERSONALLY had to deal with the «police» ALWAYS pulling you over (even when you had not actually violated any so-called laws), writing you «tickets» for B.S. crap, CONSTANTLY, you would NOT be viewing people who CHALLENGE the «jurisdiction» of police to be Modern-Day Robber-Barrons with any disdain or contempt.
Thompson v.Smith, 154 SE 579, 11 American Jurisprudence, Constitutional Law, section 329, page 1135 “The right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, in the ordinary course of life and business, is a common right which he has under the right to enjoy life and liberty, to acquire and possess property, and to pursue happiness and safety. It includes the right, in so doing, to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day, and under the existing modes of travel, includes the right to drive a horse drawn carriage or wagon thereon or to operate an automobile thereon, for the usual and ordinary purpose of life and business.”
Thompson vs. Smith, supra.; Teche Lines vs. Danforth, Miss., 12 S.2d 784 “… the right of the citizen to drive on a public street with freedom from police interference… is a fundamental constitutional right” -White, 97 Cal.App.3d.141, 158 Cal.Rptr. 562, 566-67 (1979) “citizens have a right to drive upon the public streets of the District of Columbia or any other city absent a constitutionally sound reason for limiting their access.”
Caneisha Mills v. D.C. 2009 “The use of the automobile as a necessary adjunct to the earning of a livelihood in modern life requires us in the interest of realism to conclude that the RIGHT to use an automobile on the public highways partakes of the nature of a liberty within the meaning of the Constitutional guarantees...” (many people, especially the U.S., are FORCED to have a damn CAR for the absolute most FUNDAMENTAL of «earning a living» REQUIREMENTS, unlike you people over at Europe who can just hop onto a FREE Train or Tram-Car to go from Point A to Point B to even GET to «work» where-as, over here, people are FORCED to FUND their OWN «transportation» which is EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE to be considered «100% "Legal"» [due to the MANDATORY State-MONOPOLY Vehicle-Insurance often costing in the HUNDREDS PER MONTH for many people, the cost of Car-Maintenance, the Fuel-Costs, License-Tag Costs, Driver-License Costs, and, this isn't even counting how much it costs to live in a Building or Feed oneself, etc.]. IF you want a «productive» society, you are supposed to ENCOURAGE people to «work hard» and wish them «good luck» on succeeding at work and in life, NOT go about CONSTANTLY pulling people over whilst they are JUST trying to get to work or shop for necessary supplies in order to TAX and FINE them to the damn HILT!!!)
Perhaps the cops/police in your country are not necessarily a bunch of PIGs, but, a LOT of them over here ARE a bunch of P.I.G.s (Persons in Government who Intend to Perjure Their Oath) and I have some-how managed to recover a LOT of «evidence» for WHY the «police» CANNOT. BE. TRUSTED, although, some of these records have gone missing or are no longer on-line, not surprising...
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/11/12/commentary/world-commentary/u-s-cops-unions-control/#.W4cCS-hKiCh
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/numbers-police-kill-days-countries-decades/
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/10-outrageous-excuses-cops-kill-unarmed-people-year/
https://www.copblock.org/154635/feared-for-my-life/
https://toolsofcontrol.com/2018/01/11/i-feared-for-my-life-and-other-excuses-cops-and-the-fbi-use-to-get-away-with-murder-terrorism-and-entrapment/
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/09/16/police-are-more-dangerous-to-the-public-than-are-criminals-paul-craig-roberts/
https://batteredbypd.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/my-life-has-been-ruined-behind-police-lies/
https://www.johnlaurits.com/2017/all-cops-are-bad-how-modern-policing-negates-moral-responsibility/
https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/vanessa-marquez-er-shot-killed-police-1202923337/?replytocom=5922800#respond
https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/09/14/iraq-war-veteran-blows-the-whistle-on-shameless-propaganda-being-taught-at-police-academies/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/long-painful-history-police-brutality-in-the-us-180964098/
https://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.228269-Why-Do-So-Many-People-Hate-the-Police
https://crimebodge.com/most-common-reasons-why-people-hate-the-police/
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/04/21/why-i-hated-being-a-cop
https://www.thetoptens.com/biggest-reasons-people-hate-police/
Note, the above list is only SOME of the Evidence of how the «Police» conduct themselves, particularly over here, even though I still have a LOT MORE amongst my records, that, like I mentioned before, I am still trying to recover (not so easy or over-night of a process to locate and re-name literally hundreds of thousands of different text-based files though).
Although there is still a LOT more details and information I could go over, I need to return back to the «jurisdiction» word, ultimately meaning that the «rule-set» is even valid; MANY of these «government» people/officials/personnel, whether be they on the streets as cops or in the court-rooms as judges/laywers/attorneys/etc., have PROVEN themselves to basically be «pirates» and, that begs the question : Are «rules» that are made by PIRATES «valid» (e.g. : legitimate-jurisdiction) or are they operating on FRAUD ? A long time ago, many mortal-men went about laying waste and great-destruction to multitudes of inhabitants who were already living on other continents, and, according to a «rule-set» that they follow(ed), the «act» of poking a stick into the ground, when a dirty rag was tied to the end, was considered the «authority/jurisdiction» that allowed them to «lay claim» to being the «owners» over all of its inhabitants, all of its fishies and flora in the seas and waters, all of its fauna and trees in the forests, all of the wildlife and even air that everyone breaths from all of the mountains on downwards, etc. NO «sane» being would think or believe such a «ritual» take-over of another continent (or similar to another planet) as legitimate or as having valid-jurisdiction. P.S. : The stick with a filthy rag tied to its end is typically called a «flag» via such people...
Sorry about that earlier post; I high-lighted whole entire document of my records for this thread rather than just this response which is supposed to be the actual current response.
Yeah, fair to start a new post... could go a whole new thread, but....
So, going to be long.... (naturally :p)
"the two words are literally mutually exclusive in definition,"....
" the Citizen being the Slave or the Subject who MUST FOLLOW THE ABSOLUTE COMMANDS AND ORDERS of the King or Sovereign"
Ummmm... no!
In no definition is this idea included. You may imply that, but it's not actually a part of the definition, which only states that there are certain rights and obligations by virtue of being a citizen of a country (ie. generally born or naturalised as such).
" the Sovereign being the rightful-decision-maker"
Again, no. The definition is one that has supreme authority (in a given situation). So, not quite the same.
It should also be noticed that sovereigns are also citizens of the country they were born in (depending on the country and the applicable laws ).
Also, remember that the word 'sovereign' is both a noun and an adjective
So, Sovereign Citizen is not necessarily an oxymoron... (so suppressing the urge to not write something else here!)
'Did you know that...."
Did you know that 86.3% of claims are made up on the spot with zero evidence to support them....
"Are you even aware that MOST «lawyers» (and attorneys) also do NOT know anything about «constitutional-law» ?"
Not surprised - it's a very specialised area of law, and is largely irrelevant in the vast majority of cases - as most cases are not about whether the Constitution (for a given country) has actually been breached or not, but about whether specific enacted laws (and their interpretations) have been violated. Now, whether lawyers should be *required* to study it - that's a different matter entirely! Largely dependant, I would think, on how relevant study of it would be. (remember, Constitutional Law is not the same as 'study/knowledge of the constitution', but about the trials where laws have been questioned as to whether they have breached the constitution, the decisions thereof, the reasonings for them, etc etc.)
"«Mention that C word and I'll hold you in contempt of court» and WHY do you think that is ?"
I think this is because the people who keep harping on about it have ZERO knowledge of Constitutional Law.... That is, as mentioned above, the cases in which laws were questioned in relation to the constitution... And, therefore, the person screaming this C word out don't get that they're simply not the first person to do so. Basically put, just saying "it's against the constitution" if usually fairly meaningless - UNLESS it can be adequately proven to do so (and, that's not going to happen in your typical case - and certainly isn't going to be accepted by someone without a law degree, or can demonstrate YEARS of study of ALL of the cases that have been brought which question laws/claims in this regard).
They seem especially ignorant of the very first Article, and first Section, in the Constitution - that there is a Legislative branch that has the RIGHT to make laws! (You're choosing to agree to abide by those laws is an entirely separate matter... but, if you're going to scream "it's against the Constitution", then it seems pretty hypocritical to blindly ignore that very first one!)
Also,
" Courts have the responsibility to interpret the Constitution's meaning, as well as the meaning of any laws passed by Congress."
So, it's been given to the courts to decide whether invoking the "It's in the constitution" is a valid claim or not... and, obviously, they think not! (fortunately for you, the law gives you the right to appeal! AND you can even take it to a constitutional lawyer to see if your claims fall within the boundaries of breaches of the constitution).
Your bits about the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments don't really mean anything without context.... So, there's not really anything that I can say about them.... In any way at all (for or against).
'BUT, the answer needs to be responded to in the form of a question, otherwise, the «sovereign» changes his «status» into that of a «citizen» and WILL LOSE the «case» due to going into «dishonour» as I have explained in a previous response.'
I have no idea what you're going on about... I have seen something about answering a question with a question - but haven't gone into it....
"Note : In Legal-Rules, the first question would normally be OBJECTED to, due to being what is called a «Leading Question» which would make/render any answers obtained from such questioning invalid)."
Ummm... yes - I would have pointed that out.... A better way to answer would be "You are posing a leading question, to which I object, and thus will not answer".
However, that's a very specific aspect of lawyers' tactics, which doesn't really represent or say anything about changing one's apparent position... so, I'm again failing to see relevance.
"18 USC section 2381 : States are NOT allowed to pass «laws» AGAINST the constitution (yet they do anyway : THIS. IS. TREASON!!!)"
Ummm - evidence?
And, even if this were so, that's what Constitutional lawyers and hearings are for... and Congress etc... and the whole raft of other institutions and organisations.
And, if you do, and they don't stop them - what are you going to do?
And, how much of an apparent breach of the constitution does it take for you to decide you don't have to follow any laws? (which, I think, is largely what is being attempted here).
"you would NOT be viewing people who CHALLENGE the «jurisdiction» of police"
Yeah - I would - and do! VERY rarely does jurisdiction of the police become a question.
Being pulled over is not a jurisdictional issue. It may be about 'reasonable cause' - but that's obviously a vastly different issue.
("unlike you people over at Europe"... Ummm, where do you get the idea I'm in Europe?? FTR, I'm not!)
Now, specifically about the license thing.... Your argument seems to simply come down to cherry-picking certain cases and quotes therefrom, while completely ignoring any other case which runs contrary to your agenda. Here's a nice bit on the contrary view - https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/26420/legal-to-drive-without-a-license
I do urge you to read through it. This person has done the same thing you have - quote other cases and the courts' opinions.
Here's an example:
" A restriction on one method of travel does not violate a person's constitutional rights. Miller v. Reed, 176 F.3d 1202, 1205 (9th Cir. 1999). There is no constitutional right to the “most convenient form of travel.” City of Houston v. FAA, 679 F.2d 1184, 1198 (5th Cir. 1982).
*4 The constitutional right to travel does not include a fundamental right to drive a motor vehicle. Duncan v. Cone, 2000 WL 1828089, at *2 (6th Cir. 2000) (unpublished); Miller, 176 F.3d at 1206 (9th Cir. 1999). The Supreme Court has recognized a state's power to “prescribe uniform regulations necessary for public safety and order in respect to the operation upon its highways of all motor vehicles.” Hendrick v. Maryland, 235 U.S. 610, 622 (1915). That includes passing legislation requiring drivers to have licenses. Id. Such a regulation is “but an exercise of the police power uniformly recognized as belonging to the states and essential to the preservation of the health, safety, and comfort of their citizens.” Id."
Obviously, you will disagree...
You do know that Thompson v Smith is from 1930, yes???
Caneisha Mills v. D.C. 2009... ummm, this is *actually* about a police check on all vehicles trying to enter an area that had been cordoned off due to high violence, and 3 women weren't allowed in (because they didn't give good enough reasons or some such). I haven't managed to find your quote on this yet, so I'd be interested to see a link (actually, it would be good if you would link all the cases you mention!)
Arguing that there have been corrupt government officials in the past - and even present - is completely irrelevant to arguing that all laws that you don't like or agree with are fundamentally unconstitutional. Your arguments, like the laws, should be addressed specifically. It's a logical fallacy not to.
Complaining about the costs of things also isn't about the law, and whether it's unconstitutional or not.
RE: your last paragraph... ummm - while your very last idea is quite valid, I don't think you can reasonably argue that the constitution is important and you have certain inalienable rights - whilst also stating that there wasn't really anything other than insanity to suggest that putting flags or markers on the land gave people the 'right' to create a constitution...
Is your constitution a valid document? Or is it not? (I'm reminded of the Monty Python scene - "watery tarts throwing swords about is no way to decide a system of government" (misquote, yeah yeah))
«LEGAL, NOT LAWFUL: EPISODE 06A - THE LEGAL SYSTEM (OR JUNK LAW), PART 1»
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WdjobRMhjk6r/
So this weblink I am attaching is basically the main family of documents that if you read and understand all of the links on that page, and you edit them to your own particular case (as per instructions on the page)
*You will basically end up with a diplomatic passport
*You will never pay taxes again
*You will not be paying driver's insurance
*You will have a solid understanding of why it's done this way and how much legal power you actually have as an isbe incarnated here.
If you don't use any of this technology it's totally ok. But I do ask: please don't take lightly the amount of painstaking work that literally legions of people (especially its main author) have taken to make this possible, or the fact that it is a reality, or the fact that this truly is a potential component for our liberation (no not a substitute to the liberty we must gain through learning renote viewing!)
As you read the documents you will also develop a large appreciation for the true "freedom loving country" that Courtney has stood by in his diaries, abd realize what it was actually intended to be and how it is actually still present, though quite suck and dieing by the hands of its parasitic host US Inc, but also the philosophy to adopt in the face of all this because only a philosophy that has rigorously been tested against relentless litigation remains quite true.
Anyhow, please take a look. I'll finally post the link
https://www.theamnestycoalition.org/resources-and-documents
PS: if you start to use these documents and you encounter a lot of complication - you can refer to what I would call the "sister organization" to all this: williamsandwilliamslawfirm.com - they can assist you with the documents (no not for free but once you understand the nature of the "federal reserve" you stand to potentially become filthy rich anyways)
No I have not yet fully immersed myself in the legal technology of all this but I fully intend to and I know a few that are personally on the track and doing*well* with it.
I may as well add this here since there are people who are in fact skeptical about the existence of any court-cases where Tickets were factually dismissed with the wording «Traveling» versus «Driving» even though, with the exception of anything remaining of Charles Sprinkle (Charlie Sprinkle), although they don't show very clear-footage of the documents, are not what you will be able to find anywhere (not very easily anyway if you can even find such things at all), and, anything on YT where people have actually gotten their cases/tickets/charges dismissed is obviously not going to remain on there since it cuts into the profits of those who keep preventing Disclosure.
Anyway, this guy, https://www.youtube.com/@JEHERETIC is his You-Tube Channel, and, although it no longer exists (probably because of Algorithm-Deletions or Alphabet-Soup Pressure), this guy did in fact, post a past video (maybe even more than one) where the court dismissed the charges/ticket against him, via the grounds that he was not Driving, but, Travelling; you'll need to contact him directly and hope that he's willing to respond and perhaps even still has that video where he literally shows in the video the actual documents from the court where everything against him was dismissed; hopefully he still has that video or uploaded elsewhere where they don't censor this sort of stuff though...